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nancy pelosi and john boehner met with the president this morning. with six weeks left to go, work has to be done quickly. rebecca is live with more on the talks. >> the calendar is showing it is just a few weeks until we fall off the so-called fiscal cliff. that is when extended unemployment benefits will expire, tax cuts will expire, and the automatic spending cuts will go into effect. today congressional leaders were promising they would meet the deadline. >> inside the white house republican house speaker john boehner and president obama sat side by side both insisting they want and will find macdill. >> our challenge is to make sure that we are able to cooperate, work together, find common ground, make some tough compromises, build some consensus to do the people's business. >> coming out of the meeting are rare image of bipartisan ship. >> we have the recognition that every person in america knows we would not reach agreement. >> we are prepared to put everything on the table provided we fixed the problem. however, we are in the dilemma we are
nancy pelosi and john boehner met with the president this morning. with six weeks left to go, work has to be done quickly. rebecca is live with more on the talks. >> the calendar is showing it is just a few weeks until we fall off the so-called fiscal cliff. that is when extended unemployment benefits will expire, tax cuts will expire, and the automatic spending cuts will go into effect. today congressional leaders were promising they would meet the deadline. >> inside the white...
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just ask john boehner. >> it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. >> it's happening it, and there's nothing they can do about it. right now, states are deciding how to implement a key part of the law. states can either set up exchanges for people to buy insurance or let the federal government do it for them. you think that choice would be easy for republican governors, given how much they hate the federal government. >> we don't like when the federal government comes and shoves things down our throat. >> sadly, the hardest part of my job continues to be this federal government. >> i mean all the states are actually under assault by this federal government. they are under assault by this federal government. >> so dwhae these governors decide? rick perry and his buddies are letting the feds set up their exchanges. they don't want the federal government to have any control over health care. so now they're letting the federal government have more control over health care. these republican politicians have tied themselv
just ask john boehner. >> it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. >> it's happening it, and there's nothing they can do about it. right now, states are deciding how to implement a key part of the law. states can either set up exchanges for people to buy insurance or let the federal government do it for them. you think that choice would be easy for republican governors, given how much they hate the federal government. >> we don't...
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the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort of automatic cuts that we see as a sequester, and the tax increases and have a mechanism you can replace them with. listen to the congressional leaders in their photo op in the white house before thanksgiving that they had today. >> we've put revenue on the table, as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have a cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. >> we fully understand
the most interesting thing, though, from the boehner aide was that john boehner believes there is not enough time from now until the end of the year to actually have a grand bargain. there's enough time, though, to put together the framework for what a grand bargain would look like. essentially have the top lines agreed to that by sometime in 2013 you could have both the chambers, the senate and the house, come together on some substantial tax reform, entitlement reform, and get rid of the sort...
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now, even john boehner and mitch mcconnell came out of that meeting in the white house and used the word revenue. it's on want table. they are acknowledging they will raise revenue. the only way i know to raise revenue is to raise taxes. i mean, does it sound to you like there's going to be a tax increase after all? >> no. if you remember, the comment that boehner and mitch mcconnell have made is they want revenue from economic growth. the best way to get revenue for the federal government is to grow the economy faster rather than slower. if you grow at 4% a year instead of 2% a year for one decade, the government raises $5 trillion. that is how you balance the budget. you cut spending, just as the republicans did in the last half of the 1990s. they cut the capital gains tax. we had more growth, and we slowed spending. that's what we need to focus on, not raising taxes on the american people and of course, obama's tax increases are there, but he hasn't put any spending restraint on the table. we look forward to seeing what he might be thinking of. >> mr. norquist, if you had to put money
now, even john boehner and mitch mcconnell came out of that meeting in the white house and used the word revenue. it's on want table. they are acknowledging they will raise revenue. the only way i know to raise revenue is to raise taxes. i mean, does it sound to you like there's going to be a tax increase after all? >> no. if you remember, the comment that boehner and mitch mcconnell have made is they want revenue from economic growth. the best way to get revenue for the federal...
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i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or things they may not like that comes out of these negotiations? >> reporter: well, i think it's both. i think it's that he's trying to prepare some on the left for concessions. he's trying to build up really his strength to be able to put pressure on republicans to come to the table with him over taxes. president obama meeting with with union leaders early this week, also business leaders, so he's really trying to form a broad consensus, i think, to put pressure on republicans and democrats to get something done, to actually get something accomplished before that january 1st deadline. tam
i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or...
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john boehner did offer framework. the framework would have tax and entitlement targets, revenue targets, spending targets, that this year in the next couple months. congress would work out the details in 2013. both leaders from both parties and both houses say it is time to get to work. >> we will continue to have revenue on the table. we are serious. we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal problems. >> we will do it now. we feel very comfortable with each other. this is not something we will wait until the last day of december to get it done. rich: they met for a little longer than an hour here at the white house. much of the talk was positive. there really is not anything close to specifics right now coming from anyone in all of this. here he read and nancy pelosi really did not mention entitlement at all. rich o'connell highlighted the fact that his conference in the senate believes that this country does not have a taxing problem, it has a spending problem. there are still two very different b
john boehner did offer framework. the framework would have tax and entitlement targets, revenue targets, spending targets, that this year in the next couple months. congress would work out the details in 2013. both leaders from both parties and both houses say it is time to get to work. >> we will continue to have revenue on the table. we are serious. we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal problems. >> we will do it now. we feel very comfortable with each...
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i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about growth and that she is confident a solution is in sight. sounds good, too. and then the house minority leader or rather the minority leader mitch mcconnell also suggesting that this was a constructive meeting and that we are prepared to put revenue on the table. they just emerged from the meeting. looked like they were going right back in. maybe they were going to have lunch. i don't know. they sure deserve it if they're able to come to rhetoric like that any any case. take to you break for a moment and hopefully i can scramble up wolf blitzer. gi
i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about...
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not the president who is the problem it's john boehner's lack of control of his own party. jon: you hear john boehner telling the president to show some leadership. >> i hope he goes to his caucus and is able to corral them. >> if you want economic growth you lower taxes. jon: julie and monica, thank you. >> thank you. jon: and we'll be right back. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. jon: a fox news alert now on a deadly train crash at a parade honoring our nation's heroes. the images from midland, texas, where police say a freight train slammed into a parade float carrying wounded veterans. four people were killed. more than a dozen others injured. casey seeing fell live in midland, texas, with more on this tragedy. casey? >> reporter: yeah, jon, union pacific railroad spo
not the president who is the problem it's john boehner's lack of control of his own party. jon: you hear john boehner telling the president to show some leadership. >> i hope he goes to his caucus and is able to corral them. >> if you want economic growth you lower taxes. jon: julie and monica, thank you. >> thank you. jon: and we'll be right back. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it...
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. >> is that the big onus on john boehner? >> i think it is the onus on all of the negotiators. it's all of them at this point. because that's where the spotlight is. yeah. it's going to be quite a task. we saw that when this happened the last time. it's going to come right up to the line. i think we might be here late december. >> the drama will take us through the end of the year. our power panel, jackie kucinich, blake, robert, thanks to all three of you. >>> up next i'll talk with someone who was in this morning's closed door hearing with general petraeus, republican congressman tom rooney will join the show. what do you think about today's testimony? tweet me your comments at thomas a. roberts. we're back after this. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. and you learned something along the way. this is the age of knowing what you're made of. so, why let
. >> is that the big onus on john boehner? >> i think it is the onus on all of the negotiators. it's all of them at this point. because that's where the spotlight is. yeah. it's going to be quite a task. we saw that when this happened the last time. it's going to come right up to the line. i think we might be here late december. >> the drama will take us through the end of the year. our power panel, jackie kucinich, blake, robert, thanks to all three of you. >>> up...
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dagen: john boehner speaking outside the white house flings by senator harry reid. listen to him. >> our meeting today, what the president called for a fair and balanced approach to show our seriousness we put revenue on the table as long as it is the company for significant spending cuts and we are going to continue the revenue on the table, over my colleagues to show the american people we are serious about cutting spending, solving our fiscal -- i believe we can do this and other the fiscal cliff that is right in front of us today. >> this isn't the first time we have dealt with these issues. we feel we understand what the problem is and we felt very good about what we were able to talk about. we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we are both having to give up some of the things we know are a problem and so it is like the point where we all know something has to be done, no other time than to do it now. we feel comfortable with each % other and something we will wait until the last day of december to get done. we will move forward on it an
dagen: john boehner speaking outside the white house flings by senator harry reid. listen to him. >> our meeting today, what the president called for a fair and balanced approach to show our seriousness we put revenue on the table as long as it is the company for significant spending cuts and we are going to continue the revenue on the table, over my colleagues to show the american people we are serious about cutting spending, solving our fiscal -- i believe we can do this and other the...
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john boehner, mitch mcconnell saying they want the bush tax cuts for everyone. joe, will they have to bend on that? isn't that really the issue? will they bend on the republican side? >> the republicans are going to have to bend. we have to get this done. we've only got 46 days before the -- before we would fall off this fiscal cliff and to fall off the cliff would mean 3.9% hit for gdp next year. we can't afford that because that would potentially throw us into another recession. we want to avoid that at all costs. the big issue i think for most people would be taxes. most people -- and governor rendell said, well, it's not just a matter of tax increases on the wealthiest americans but it's a host of spending challenges that we face across the board that would impact millions of people and certainly impact us in a huge way. i think republicans have to bend. republicans are going to be looking at of course cuts in spending and cuts in entitlements as well as the possibility of new revenue and i think they're very open to this. i think some republicans will push
john boehner, mitch mcconnell saying they want the bush tax cuts for everyone. joe, will they have to bend on that? isn't that really the issue? will they bend on the republican side? >> the republicans are going to have to bend. we have to get this done. we've only got 46 days before the -- before we would fall off this fiscal cliff and to fall off the cliff would mean 3.9% hit for gdp next year. we can't afford that because that would potentially throw us into another recession. we want...
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i did pick up it was john boehner next to the president and the president went out of his way to say we want a balanced approach. that means tax the rich. >> taxes go up, increasing revenue, which we already have no word on entitlement spending. no time like the present. the dollar now down 26. know in part on the from that. >> not raising taxes, and the second element of this which has not been part of the public conversation is cutting spending. we don't have a revenue problem, have a spending problem, no issue with cutting spending. stuart: i said taxes on the rich will go up. are you going to disagree with me? >> depends on what you mean of taxes going up. i don't think republicans are going for that, don't. stuart: whether they are forced into it? >> than we are going over the cliff. >> don't think republicans have sacrificed that sacred land. stuart: who turned full circle? >> i do, i think the president has drawn a line in the sand. i have two or three chess pieces on the board, i win. these are photo ops. stuart: that means nothing. utterly meaningless. you say we are going o
i did pick up it was john boehner next to the president and the president went out of his way to say we want a balanced approach. that means tax the rich. >> taxes go up, increasing revenue, which we already have no word on entitlement spending. no time like the present. the dollar now down 26. know in part on the from that. >> not raising taxes, and the second element of this which has not been part of the public conversation is cutting spending. we don't have a revenue problem,...
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and i can guarantee the white house and president obama may show those quotes of john boehner and eric cantor. >> haley barbour on taxes, and this is from the republican governors association meeting in la las vegas. quote, if there's enough savings, if there's enough certainty about tax reform the next few years, i would, former governor haley barbour said when asked whether his party should consider softening its opposition to letting the bush tax cuts on the wealthiest expire. i mean, that's just an amazing, amazing, amazing switch from where we even were on the campaign trail last week. >> well, that's right, luke. and also governor bob mcdonnell said something else. elections have consequences and that, of course, was a line republicans used in 2011 during the debt ceiling negotiations as well as all of the other times they were actually trying to trim the budget deficit saying, look, this is why we were elected in 2010 to come and do this. now president obama has that same argument in 2012. look, the presidential contest was fought on the contours of raising taxes on the wealthy.
and i can guarantee the white house and president obama may show those quotes of john boehner and eric cantor. >> haley barbour on taxes, and this is from the republican governors association meeting in la las vegas. quote, if there's enough savings, if there's enough certainty about tax reform the next few years, i would, former governor haley barbour said when asked whether his party should consider softening its opposition to letting the bush tax cuts on the wealthiest expire. i mean,...
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john boehner is pulled by two groups. one he does not want to be obstructionist not to allow tax cuts for lower group to go through and doesn't want tax cuts to go through. he is pulled on that side and by his own party. what i hope is that the vast majority of the republicans hold true and if some of the republicans peel off, i would, that would be fine. if they pushed through obama's bill, but i do not want to see them punished. but the republicans need to have this position for 2014 and the rest of 2013 when the economy goes in the garbage dump. republicans are right. bill: two more quick questions on this. >> sure. bill: when these congressional leaders speak, what sort of code words should we be listening for today? >> well i don't know what they would say to each other but on the outside, using the word rates left revenues and that type of stuff are code words especially coming from the president. if he talks about raising revenues and does not insist on it being rates there is a good compromise possible. if he forc
john boehner is pulled by two groups. one he does not want to be obstructionist not to allow tax cuts for lower group to go through and doesn't want tax cuts to go through. he is pulled on that side and by his own party. what i hope is that the vast majority of the republicans hold true and if some of the republicans peel off, i would, that would be fine. if they pushed through obama's bill, but i do not want to see them punished. but the republicans need to have this position for 2014 and the...
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majority leader harry reid, mitch mcconnell and house speaker john boehner and nancy pelosi. they're all going to try to make some progress in coming to an agreement in how to increase revenue and decrease spending before the tax cuts expire for everyone and pre-determined spending cuts kick in automatically. the president said he's willing to compromise but not if it means protecting the top 2% from paying their fair share. "huffington post" reports that a coalition of labor groups are mounting a campaign to put pressure on coming to a progressive solution to avoid the fiscal cliff. they would air ads targeting house republicans and some senate democrats they say protect healthcare, education social security and rely heavier on higher tax it was. peter king spoke briefly with report he is this morning following general david petraeus' testimony behind closed doors. did he not give many details stating it's an ongoing investigation. >> they now clearly believe that it did not arise out of a demonstration. it was not spontaneous and it was clear terrorist involvement. >> she's
majority leader harry reid, mitch mcconnell and house speaker john boehner and nancy pelosi. they're all going to try to make some progress in coming to an agreement in how to increase revenue and decrease spending before the tax cuts expire for everyone and pre-determined spending cuts kick in automatically. the president said he's willing to compromise but not if it means protecting the top 2% from paying their fair share. "huffington post" reports that a coalition of labor groups...
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boehner than he was back in the debt ceiling negotiations almost two years ago? >> well, you're right. i'm not going to start doing that negotiation. what i would say is that the president, in his budget, put forward 360 billion in health savings. the president understands that health reform, entitlement reform is going to be part of this package. he's been very clear about that. and he's made that clear even to those supporters who might prefer to have zero or less medicare savings as part of an agreement. the president's focus has always been that when you are trying to reduce the degree that medicare contributes to the deficit, that the best way to do that is to look for things that lower overall health expenditures, as opposed to proposals that simply shift costs. they may lower the federal government spending, but only at the expense of increasing overall health care expanding -- spending in a private health care and gaza. said he will be of course open to ideas and this issue. but it comes with a fundamental principle of the best thing for our, the best thi
boehner than he was back in the debt ceiling negotiations almost two years ago? >> well, you're right. i'm not going to start doing that negotiation. what i would say is that the president, in his budget, put forward 360 billion in health savings. the president understands that health reform, entitlement reform is going to be part of this package. he's been very clear about that. and he's made that clear even to those supporters who might prefer to have zero or less medicare savings as...
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. >> you're not taking any heart in the conciliatory stuff that we've heard from john boehner and -- >> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do enough in loopholes and exclusions to get the money that we need for a deal from that group. but he also said i'm open to new ideas. so if there is in fact an effort to close some loopholes that gets you some of the way there, you can certainly see the president, i could anyway, compromising somewhere between 35 and 39.6 on a slightly higher rate. if shall be caomebody came up w source of revenue which didn't change the distribution of the tax burden, figure out a way to do it without a top rate. i kind of exp
. >> you're not taking any heart in the conciliatory stuff that we've heard from john boehner and -- >> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't...
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can john boehner control the tea party? can mitch mcconnell protect his right flank? thank you very much. >> by the way, he's got to, i guess. he's got an election coming up himself. >> and he had a tough re-election. remember, he had to run six years ago right after the auto bailouts, had a tougher election than he wanted. >>> still ahead, new jersey governor chris christie joins the set. also actor bradley cooper will be here. next, senator saxby chambliss and andrea mitchell. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. ♪ i seen your picture ♪ your name in lights above it >>> 26 past the hour. a live look at the white house. joining us now from washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andre
can john boehner control the tea party? can mitch mcconnell protect his right flank? thank you very much. >> by the way, he's got to, i guess. he's got an election coming up himself. >> and he had a tough re-election. remember, he had to run six years ago right after the auto bailouts, had a tougher election than he wanted. >>> still ahead, new jersey governor chris christie joins the set. also actor bradley cooper will be here. next, senator saxby chambliss and andrea...
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you would see mitch mcconnell and john boehner's people sort of drawing their lines in the sand. that's not really happening even though that is sort of by far much sort of bigger story as far as what's going to happen in the country. as far as -- and priority list for both the white house and congress. >> do you think they also get that at the white house? that as long as -- as much as they may be getting hurt or not by the islamist people are talking about benghazi, it enables some room for the white house to get involved in the negotiations as well. >> it allows them to negotiate this without sort of a spotlight on fiscal cliff story which is -- you know, a story that has about six weeks left in it before some -- before taxes go up on everyone and significant spending cuts happen across the country. not just the military. >> you've been covering the hill for awhile in addition to the campaigns. do you get the sense that this will be the time when they say okay, they've reached some agreement on the tax out on the revenue side and republicans eat it a little bit. for people mak
you would see mitch mcconnell and john boehner's people sort of drawing their lines in the sand. that's not really happening even though that is sort of by far much sort of bigger story as far as what's going to happen in the country. as far as -- and priority list for both the white house and congress. >> do you think they also get that at the white house? that as long as -- as much as they may be getting hurt or not by the islamist people are talking about benghazi, it enables some room...
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that doesn't seem like it'll be a go for john boehner, does it? >> no, at least at this point it doesn't. after all, the republicans want those tax cuts to continue. that's really the nub of it. how far they'll go, it's a very important meeting. this is really it. this is where the president weighs in. it's mano a mano. the person who's taking a harder stance is mitch mcconnell. let's listen to what he says from the senate side. >> we don't happen to think the government needs more revenue. the government spends too much as it is. if democrats are willing to reduce spending and strengthen entitlement programs, which we all know are on an unsustainable path that threatens our own long-term viability and the economic well-being of our children and grandchildren, then we'll be there. what we won't do is raise tax rates. >> okay. so read the fine print. raise tax rates. now, there's a difference between raising tax rates and raising revenue, making people pay more by doing things which the republicans have suggested like, you know, capping loopholes o
that doesn't seem like it'll be a go for john boehner, does it? >> no, at least at this point it doesn't. after all, the republicans want those tax cuts to continue. that's really the nub of it. how far they'll go, it's a very important meeting. this is really it. this is where the president weighs in. it's mano a mano. the person who's taking a harder stance is mitch mcconnell. let's listen to what he says from the senate side. >> we don't happen to think the government needs more...
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so far that idea has been shot down by the republican speaker of the house, john boehner, by john mccain's own bff in the senate, joe lieberman, he also disagrees with mr. mccain on this. same goes for susan collins of maine who did go to the classified briefing yesterday and noted publicly that john mccain was not there. even though it was his committee. mccain's special investigation idea was also shot down today by republican senator richard burr who said, quote, i think you've got to allow the structure we have of oversight to function and i think the intelligence committee is more than capable of handling this. in other words, the senate is getting information so maybe we should, you know, get information instead of continuing to scream on tv about not getting information. here's how you know when somebody is being disingenuous. when they demand something and then you give them that thing that they just keep demanding about and they pretend that you're not giving it to them and they just keep making the demand anyway as if it hasn't been met. john mccain obviously sees some advantage
so far that idea has been shot down by the republican speaker of the house, john boehner, by john mccain's own bff in the senate, joe lieberman, he also disagrees with mr. mccain on this. same goes for susan collins of maine who did go to the classified briefing yesterday and noted publicly that john mccain was not there. even though it was his committee. mccain's special investigation idea was also shot down today by republican senator richard burr who said, quote, i think you've got to allow...
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he meets with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and in an say palau and i. in an say pelosi. speaking on on thursday, simpson and bowles said washington hasn't been able to resolve the fiscal cliff because lawmakers haven't been focused on what's right for the country. >> leaders think it would be to their advantage to go off the fiscal cliff. what a wonderful trait that is, that we can win more as democrats if we let it go or more as complains. people are sick of that and they're ashamed of it. >> if we do get our house in order, future of america is really bright. if we don't, we're well on our way it to becoming a second rate power. >> bowles sees a one third chan of a deal during the lame duck session of congress. a one third chance nothing gets done and the economy moves into chaos. let's hear in michael gurhka. the economy moving in to chaos, is that why we're seeing this market action? >> i'm not surprised because on the equity side, it's always about confidence and right now a lot of politicians have not given the market any confidence whatsoever. so
he meets with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and in an say palau and i. in an say pelosi. speaking on on thursday, simpson and bowles said washington hasn't been able to resolve the fiscal cliff because lawmakers haven't been focused on what's right for the country. >> leaders think it would be to their advantage to go off the fiscal cliff. what a wonderful trait that is, that we can win more as democrats if we let it go or more as complains. people are sick of that and they're...
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john boehner said early on, well, we can do it through tax reform. but he -- that, by saying that he was saying we can raise taxes on the rich. now, think there are some really tricky things that we face here. one is, the republicans just don't want to go back to those clinton rates. i think the right way to do this is to restore all the clinton rates and then have a discussion of tax reform. you're not going to be able to raise as much money as people say you can. for example, are people going to really want to whack at the mortgage deduction when we're just coming out of a housing crisis? and then if you don't really whack at it, then you're not raising much money. but the republicans, i think, have signaled very clearly that they know that if they spend the rest of the year sounding like they're just fighting to save very rich people from modest tax increases, they know that's a political loser. >> all right. here's speaker boehner on the chances of cutting a deal. here it is. >> if you've looked closely at what the president had to say and look c
john boehner said early on, well, we can do it through tax reform. but he -- that, by saying that he was saying we can raise taxes on the rich. now, think there are some really tricky things that we face here. one is, the republicans just don't want to go back to those clinton rates. i think the right way to do this is to restore all the clinton rates and then have a discussion of tax reform. you're not going to be able to raise as much money as people say you can. for example, are people going...
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gentlemen, we were just hearing about tax talk from the president and from john boehner. we've been talking a lot about tax rates. it seems that's dominating the conversation. what about spending? aren't we talking about a very small number in terms of revenue that you can actually get from the so-called wealthy, more than $250,000? in the overall scheme of things, is that going to move the needle on our debt? shouldn't we also be talking about spending cuts? >> we're talking about getting between between 80 and $100 billion a year, which is no small number from revenue with when you consider the fact we have a $1.1 trillion deficit, that's not going to solve our problem. we must also reduce spending if we're going to put our fiscal house in order. >> senator? >> people are always saying, what should we cut? what spending would you like to cut? they say waste, fraud, and abuse. all earmarks, foreign aid, nancy pelosi's aircraft, all compensation for congress. that's nothing. that's about 4% of where we are. you get spending cuts by going into the entitlements programs. th
gentlemen, we were just hearing about tax talk from the president and from john boehner. we've been talking a lot about tax rates. it seems that's dominating the conversation. what about spending? aren't we talking about a very small number in terms of revenue that you can actually get from the so-called wealthy, more than $250,000? in the overall scheme of things, is that going to move the needle on our debt? shouldn't we also be talking about spending cuts? >> we're talking about...
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i think john boehner and a few others in the republican party have got to tell eric cantor and paul ryan and michele bachmann and a lot of the tea partiers in that party, if you continue to insist that taxes are not going to be increased on the rich, we are not going to ever gain or regain control of the senate. we're going to lose control of the house in 2014, 2016. we're going to become a permanent minority party because it makes no sense to most americans. >> hit them where it hurts. professor robert reich, thank you. >>> next, how far will the president go in the showdown against john mccain. >>> but first, hampton pearson has the cnbc market wrap. good afternoon. >> good afternoon. we saw stocks move lower again on more wall street fears of going over the fiscal cliff. the dow losing 28 points, the s&p down 2, the nasdaq closing down 9 points. that's it from cbs, first in business worldwide. [ male announcer ] this is steve. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the market, he goes with people he trusts, wh
i think john boehner and a few others in the republican party have got to tell eric cantor and paul ryan and michele bachmann and a lot of the tea partiers in that party, if you continue to insist that taxes are not going to be increased on the rich, we are not going to ever gain or regain control of the senate. we're going to lose control of the house in 2014, 2016. we're going to become a permanent minority party because it makes no sense to most americans. >> hit them where it hurts....
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so they look ahead, they see 2010 and think if taxes do go up for the middle class, it will be john boehner, and the republicans to take the blame. >> well, that may be but who is it going to play that kind of bluffing game with the debt ceiling because that's when you really risk tremendous market reactions and peril. i know you talked about david petraeus, and the whole foreign policy issue last night on charlie, martha, but do you-- let me ask you again, do you take seriously the notion that john kerry could be defense secretary? >> i think that was a trial balloon. >> you do? >> i 19, clearly both of those stories were trial balloons. president obama, obviously, took it a little further, quite a bit further today talking about susan rice. it was no longer a trial balloon. but i think john kerry-- you know, is that a consolation prize? i think he's probably always wanted to be secretary of state. i'm not sure how that would go over at the pentagon. i mean, when you talk about someone going into-- as secretary of state, who maybe doesn't have the experience that some people want. i think
so they look ahead, they see 2010 and think if taxes do go up for the middle class, it will be john boehner, and the republicans to take the blame. >> well, that may be but who is it going to play that kind of bluffing game with the debt ceiling because that's when you really risk tremendous market reactions and peril. i know you talked about david petraeus, and the whole foreign policy issue last night on charlie, martha, but do you-- let me ask you again, do you take seriously the...
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boehner in the house --. lori: david, i'm so sorry to interrupt you. we have breaking news. we'll get back to the conversation. we're getting started. the president we are hearing arriving in staten island, an area, hard, hard hit by superstorm sandy. he is is expected to address the press after he speaks with first-responders. you can see the crowd there. a lot of media members looking to grab an interview or comments from the president as he tours sandy's storm-ravaged staten island. all right. let's return to our conversation with mr. west self "the wall street journal.". when we hear from the mr. president we'll return to that. thanks for rolling, david. continue with your comments. you said this was the calm before the storm if you will. >> right. everybody is basically trying to jockey for position, making clear what their opening bid is and trying to make the public thing if this doesn't work out it was the other guy who was reasonable, other guy was unreasonable. lori: what is going to get this thing
boehner in the house --. lori: david, i'm so sorry to interrupt you. we have breaking news. we'll get back to the conversation. we're getting started. the president we are hearing arriving in staten island, an area, hard, hard hit by superstorm sandy. he is is expected to address the press after he speaks with first-responders. you can see the crowd there. a lot of media members looking to grab an interview or comments from the president as he tours sandy's storm-ravaged staten island. all...
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can john boehner, do you think john boehner can corral or quiet the more radical elements of the republican party to come to the table with the president to make a grand deal in some form or fashion? >> ultimately, yes. i think those are the starting negotiating positions which are understandable. you have obama 250, you have republicans at least admitting there needs to be new revenue and want to go through the loopholes first and see where they can get revenue there. that's obviously not going to be enough. some point they're going to have to give on it. it may be ultimately that we have a situation where they -- the tax cut dozen expire. we go off the cliff for 24 hours but that offers the republicans an opportunity to come back and vote for a tax cut for those under 250 rather than increase through extension. that's an outcome that's possible. >> i'm curious about the notion the republicans can save face if we go over the fiscal cliff although lately people have been calling it the fiscal curb, it's unclear how much of a steep drop it is in the first 24 hours. can republicans, if the pr
can john boehner, do you think john boehner can corral or quiet the more radical elements of the republican party to come to the table with the president to make a grand deal in some form or fashion? >> ultimately, yes. i think those are the starting negotiating positions which are understandable. you have obama 250, you have republicans at least admitting there needs to be new revenue and want to go through the loopholes first and see where they can get revenue there. that's obviously...